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 Post subject: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:59 pm 
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Has anybody heard of or used a product called "Moxie Floor Sealer - MFS II" I have a cement slab and had a high reading from the calcium chloride test of 5 so I need a vapor barrier product. This product likes water. It is sprayed on with a garden sprayer and soaks into the cement. It reacts with moisture to create the barrier.


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 Post subject: Re: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:08 pm 
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I'm not familiar with that particular product, but, can you tell us how you are installing? Glue down or floating? If gluing, what adhesive are you using? If you're doing a glue down, I'd recommend checking with your adhesive manufacturer for the barrier they recommend so that you use something compatible. 5lbs/1000sf/24hrs shouldn't be an issue for just about any vapor barrier.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:13 pm 
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The glue to be used is Mapei ultrabond 980. I was going to glue down 3/4 inch solid Brazilian Teak.


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 Post subject: Re: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:28 pm 
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Why not use Mapei's Planiseal with it? There are plenty of guys here that can give their opinion of it for you...most I've seen really like it......pour it then trowel it out...no need to flat trowel or sand it. They claim it's effective up to 25lbs/1000sf/24hr (that's their claim, we've been having this discussion on another thread, so hopefully we won't go there again. lol), so you're 5lb readings won't be a problem.

The moxie product sounds great when you read their page, but a penetrating sealer like that doesn't provide any crack suppression or noise reduction qualities like you get from Planiseal, MVP4, and the other trowelable barriers.

BTW, I hope this job is on or above grade.


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 Post subject: Re: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:14 am 
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The bad thing is, the mapei 980 requires all penetrating sealers to be removed.

If your going to use Mapei adhesive, use their WFM PaniSeal

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 Post subject: Re: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:54 am 
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Does that mean that "Moxie Floor Sealer - MFS II" cannot be used with Mapei ultrabond 980?


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 Post subject: Re: Vapor Barrier Product Question
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:24 pm 
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Yes, that is exactly what I mean.



http://www.mapei.it/Referenze/Multimedi ... EA.pdf.pdf



Quote:
Surface Preparation
• All substrates must be structurally sound, dry, solid and
stable.
• Substrate should be clean and free of dust, dirt, oil,
grease, paint, curing agents, concrete sealers, loosely
bonded toppings, loose particles, old adhesive residues,
and any other substance or condition that may prevent or
reduce adhesion.
• Substrates must be flat to 3/16" in a 10-ft. span
(4,5 mm in a 3-meter span). Refer to wood-flooring
manufacturer’s guidelines.
• Concrete and cement-based underlayments and patches
must be fully cured and free of any hydrostatic and/or
moisture problems.
• Use anhydrous calcium chloride tests to determine
MVER according to ASTM F1869.
• Concrete slabs exceeding 3 lbs. (1,36 kg) in MVER
should be treated with a moisture vapor reduction
product. Refer to Technical Data Sheets at www.mapei.
com for information on these products.
• Use a moisture meter to check the relative humidity of
the wood flooring, substrate surface and general jobsite
area. Follow the flooring manufacturer’s guidelines.
• Refer to MAPEI’s Surface Preparation Requirements
document for floor-covering installation systems at
www.mapei.com.

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