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 Post subject: Re: Rolling vs. Laying down weights on a glue down floor?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:28 am 
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Sorry Patent Pending, for getting into that rediculous sidetrack :roll:

Letting adhesive "flash" means letting the adhesive "gas off" or slightly "skin over". Always follow specific adhesive recomendations. I'm not familiar with Taylor MS+, but if they say install immediately, then do that, ( dont let it flash ).

1-8) Installer's methods may vary from that, and some may be the same. But that sounds fine to me.
9) There's no reason to let the 1st section set and cure. Typically installers keep going, no need to wait. You can set boxes on it after you roll it if you like, cant hurt. Guys that dont use rollers think boxes are the replacement. Guys that use rollers will lay boxes on areas that dont want to lay down in the adhesive. Like I mentioned... I roll after I install a section, then a couple more times after a few hours during the day. My last section of the day gets rolled 1 time.
10) 2 hours is too soon to take out shims or wedges. You may get movement at the wall planks. I usually wait until the next day. Sometimes you can take them out at the end of the day, if they were set in early that day.
11) With Taylor MS+ ( "install immediately"), only spread as much adhesive as you can cover while the adhesive is still wet.

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 Post subject: Re: Rolling vs. Laying down weights on a glue down floor?
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Aww c'mon I was just funnin wit ya. Yours are a real value. But I like the ratchet type, sure there are cheaper ratchets and extensions http://www.tools4flooring.com/strap-clamps.html but I wonder how hard those guys were ratcheting and why?

That brings me to a question even PatentPending might like since we have messed up his thread. How many of ya's dry fit your rows before gluing? On that picture with the stranded getting glued I have to tell ya you can't pull a large bow outa that stuff, you gotta dry lay it first and not willy nilly throw planks into the adhesive.

Hey, how long are those straps on yours? Crains are 18ft. I need to get me some floor vises http://www.tools4flooring.com/crain-566-floor-vise-p-337.html

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I sorta disagree with letting the glue skin over even a little bit. Should flash but not skin at all. But thats just my interpretation. :|

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I believe that's a good interpretation. When they say "lay immediately", I'm sure their talking about the time line between flashing and skinning, ( not waiting to the extent of skinning).

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Floorologist wrote:
I believe that's a good interpretation. When they say "lay immediately", I'm sure their talking about the time line between flashing and skinning, ( not waiting to the extent of skinning).


So...if the instructions state "lay immediately", I should allow the glue to flash, but not skin. Keep in mind that the instructions make no mention of "flashing" or "skinning"?

If I you say that I can continue laying subsequent sections continuously after letting the initial rows to stick down, how do I safely walk over these subsequent rows to roll them if they have fresh glue? I'm assuming that the glue takes 2 hours to harden. Does the glue cure so quickly to allow me to do that?

As for the use of straps, is that meant to replace my glued down straightedge and shims?


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Dude, I think you should just fly me in to do your install. :mrgreen:

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PatentPending wrote:
Floorologist wrote:
I believe that's a good interpretation. When they say "lay immediately", I'm sure their talking about the time line between flashing and skinning, ( not waiting to the extent of skinning).


So...if the instructions state "lay immediately", I should allow the glue to flash, but not skin. Keep in mind that the instructions make no mention of "flashing" or "skinning"?

If I you say that I can continue laying subsequent sections continuously after letting the initial rows to stick down, how do I safely walk over these subsequent rows to roll them if they have fresh glue? I'm assuming that the glue takes 2 hours to harden. Does the glue cure so quickly to allow me to do that?

As for the use of straps, is that meant to replace my glued down straightedge and shims?


If the adhesive manuf. says "immediately", then lay the planks in immediately. Dont worry about flashing & or skinning.

Installers usually run blue tape on the 1st rows to keep that section from moving, and keeping it tight. Some run blue tape here & there on all sections. Some run rows over every section (like me), some dont use it :shock:

If you use straps...You can chalk a line, lay the section, cinch it all tight with strap clamps, run blue tape, adjust the whole section to the line, roll it. I continue the strap clamping and running blue tape. It keeps everything tight while the adhesive is setting, and customers can walk on the floor without screwing my job up. Yes, blue tape is expensive, but I buy seconds by the case from a guy back east, about 2.50 per roll. So on 1000' job it only cost me about 25 bucks.

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Isin't part of the whole idea of having straps is to mostly eliminate taping? If i have an area thats slightkly gapped for some reason I will tape it, but other than that I try not to anymore. I used to tape a lot but I am confident in my super duper Crain ratchet straps. :P :mrgreen:

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The tape holds the planks in place so the boards dont spring back out and gap when you release the straps :roll:

Oh.. those "super duppers" must keep the planks tight after you release them :lol:

See Ive chilled. Just dont mess with a guy trying to feed his family, and offer people a superior product at a fraction of the price :wink:

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