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 Post subject: hardwood over particle board
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:24 am 
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Hi all,
I'm wanting to install 3/4" oak over a 1" particle board sub-floor with 16" joist spacing. The particle board is in good shape and nailed down. Not sure if it's also glued. The room is an addition over a crawl space with a vapor barrier on the dirt and no signs of water intrusion into the crawl space. I'm trying to match the remainder of the home with this new flooring. I fear nails /staples won't hold in the particle board. Can I float this floor by gluing the T&G joints? If not, what glue is best to use and easiest for a DYI'er to work with? I've installed un-finished oak b-4 but it was a nail down install.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:36 pm 
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You need Bostiks Best..Bostiks Ultra step or Sika for your bullet proof vest.

Bona's 851 adhesive is very easy to work with.

a solid will require a 1/2" square notch trowel..plan on getting roughly 150 sf to a apil if you're lucky

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:02 am 
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We should have some sort of disclaimer with James' 3/4 inch solid glue down suggestions :roll: It can work with short pieces, but longer, very doubtful for good results. I also think those adhesives would probably eat that particle board up, opposed to an OSB or stronger flake board. 1/2 inch?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:30 am 
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It would probably be less expensive to rip up the particle board and replace it wit plywood than to buy the adhesive.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:41 am 
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
I can't easily pull up the particle board as it runs under walls and if I layer over it with ply I'll have big transitions to deal with. I already own the 3/4" wood so I hate to buy something else. Which glue will best adhere to the particle board?
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Which glue will best adhere to the particle board?


If it's real particle board, the answer is none. Don't try it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:01 pm 
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Ken

we are in disagreement here. Where do you dget info stating urethane adhesive wont stick toparticle board? its a surface and glue sticks to it.

Bostiks Best or ultra step, sika are good top use for solid flooring.

The advantage now being the particle board will actually now become a solid and rigid structural floor as they will become one floor reinforcing eachother.

Just make sure you glue perpendicular to joists.

Nails no in particle board. Glue will work..glue has a funny way of sticking to stuff and particle board is stuff.
Gravity will play a role too unless we expect polar magnetic field shifts and floors grow wings and start flying away. :?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:26 am 
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Never mentioned not sticking. I guess it's one of my "why take chances" type red flag moments partly because I have a lot of experience and understanding of glue down floors. In my opinion particle board (PB) is safe for floating floors only. I do see Bostiks gives it the green light here...

"Bostik's BEST may be used over all properly prepared substrates
common to hardwood flooring installations including: concrete, plywood,
particle or chip board (underlayment grade), well bonded vinyl/VCT
and ceramic tile, cement backer board, gypsum underlayments (dry,
above-grade), cement patch/underlayments, radiant-heat flooring, and
properly prepared terrazzo."

But who believes particle board is a common substrate for hardwood flooring?

Play it safe, rip out the old stuff. Look into a toe kick saw that can take care of cutting those areas where the PB runs under the walls.

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