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 Post subject: floating subfloors on concrete
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:49 am 
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I have never done a floating subfloor. What are the ups and downs with this method? Does it have a more pronounced hollow sound, my clients are very curious, but at the same time hesitant. All input is much appreciated. Thanks, Ken


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 Post subject: Re: floating subfloors on concrete
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:36 pm 
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Not much difference at all because of all the weight. You would have to have one right next to a regular nail down to tell any decernable difference. Least thats my opinion,

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 Post subject: Re: floating subfloors on concrete
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:56 pm 
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Would it be the best method over nailing down subfloor? Basicly I'd like to hear what everyone recommends and thinks about the floating method. And yes I understand the last comment but was hoping for a little more than that, Please. Thanks


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:00 pm 
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One way my old boss floated sub floors effectively was to lay out 6 mil plastic so that there were no gaps. Comes in a big roll but forgot the manufacturer.

Then two layers of half inch ply wood are put down. And you must stagger the second layer obviously. A few staples or cleats can be used to sock down the second layers here and there if needed but aren't crucial

After this , you can rack out your flooring and staple or cleat it down like normal. I should have mentioned that this type of floating sub floor requires the flooring to be nailed or stapled down and isn't designed to have something like a click together floor over it.

There are more common floating sub floors but this method is rock solid , as quiet as a screwed down sub floor and very effective.You just have to decide if this method is right for your application


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My brother did a ton while he was living in FL. they always cut the plywood into a 2 x 8 panel before it was even brought into the house. Way easier to handle and less prone to lifting off the subfloor when that plywood shrinks and contracts at a different rate that that of your solid wood floor. You are essentially building a 1 1/2" thick eng. floor. If they have big concerns about the system why not look into a direct glue down with one of those solid sawn 3/4 or 5/8" eng unfinished floors.

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 Post subject: Re: floating subfloors on concrete
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It's a lotta work cutting up all that ply if it's a big job. I'll never go 3/4 again. It will always be 2 layers of 3/8. Plus you get lots of pieces of the 3/4 wanting to curl on ya and won't lay flat. I got half of the big room done and it is solid as a rock. You could never tell it's a floater.

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 Post subject: Re: floating subfloors on concrete
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:09 am 
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floormeintucson wrote:
It's a lotta work cutting up all that ply if it's a big job. I'll never go 3/4 again. It will always be 2 layers of 3/8. Plus you get lots of pieces of the 3/4 wanting to curl on ya and won't lay flat. I got half of the big room done and it is solid as a rock. You could never tell it's a floater.


How are you floating your plywood ? On sleepers and rubber grommets ?


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Over MVP4 and 6 mil plastic. If I had sleepers I would just fasten down the ply.

Oh sleepers and rubber gromets...Isin;t that a dance floor thing?

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Yes. When I've been involved in that system, it was for dance floors. I still have a lot of experience to gain in installation so it'll be important for me to master the things I don't know. And there's a lot to know. :)

So in your install, it sounds like you did what I was describing about laying out two layers of ply and then nailing your flooring to that , correct ?


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 Post subject: Re: floating subfloors on concrete
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floormeintucson wrote:
Over MVP4 and 6 mil plastic. If I had sleepers I would just fasten down the ply.

Oh sleepers and rubber gromets...Isin;t that a dance floor thing?



So you are nailing or stapling into just 3/4"?


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I ripped the ply lengthwise in 16" strips alyed perpindicular to the way the floor will be laying. And yes stapling. It's a tad touchy starting off but after a few rows it all stabilizes and does not move lol Yet another reason to use 2 layers of 3/8, no ripping necessary and it's a solid and sound subfloor unlike all those dang ripped pieces. The NWFA can take that floating 3/4 rule and stuff it. :mrgreen:

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